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Are there Two Forms of the Word of God?
One form of the word of God is the scriptures and would be manifest in a variety of ways. These means would of course be written by hands and read by eyes of the flesh, as well as audible wavelengths that are enunciated by mouth and heard with ears of the flesh. These all happen in this first creation. Let us call this the Physical word.
The other form is a spiritual speaking of God and a spiritual hearing by his elect. This happens unknown in this earthly realm. Let us call this the Spiritual word.
Both form are from God and are true. The scriptures support both forms.
Now I would like to show that the scriptures reveal a spiritual form of the word that speaks directly to our spirit; this is not a dream or voice in our head like a charismatic person would want. Rather there is a direct spirit-to-spirit communication going on unbeknownst to us in the flesh, but the only way that we know that it is happening is because we read it in the scripture, and the reason that we believe the things of the bible is because we are saved.
Rom8: 26 "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered".
So, we can say that the written is the shadow of the eternal Spiritual word that saves this really should not be a strange statement; the physical word is not Christ; it is what tells of Christ. Christ illustrated that truth himself.
Joh 5: 39 search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life; and they are they which testify of me.
As with thinking. About all the verses that show the importance of the blood of Christ.
1peter 1:19 "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot" we all know that that we are not redeemed by the physical blood of Christ. But recognize that the verse is pointing to the spiritual death of Christ. Likewise, when Christ was saying his words were spirit. He was not speaking of the physical, but the unseen eternal spiritual.
Even the penalty itself that Christ paid was a spiritual one. It was not the death of his flesh and blood; it was something far more real and substantive; his very soul.
Mark14:34 " And saith unto them, my soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch"
This can also be illustrated by noticing two men, who hear a perfect and accurate preaching from the Bible, but yet one can become saved and one will remain in unbelief. What was a difference in the man who was saved? Most of us would say that the Spirit of God was active. We than understand that the difference was a spiritual one not of the earthly creation. I also used to think that somehow God would "apply" the Physical Word to that man's heart. How would this happen? How are physical words applied to a man's heart (his soul)? What about the following verse?
Joh 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
When did Christ call my name? Does anyone remember hearing Christ call his name? Are the scriptures exaggerating? No they are true. There is a spiritual word heard only by quickened spirit. Unbeknownst to us in our flesh!
Ro 8: 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God
This is what Christ is showing in the parable of the sower and seed. He identifies the seed as the word of God and the ground as people receiving that word.
Lu 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
This show that there is a "physical word" of God. I can say that because it did not have an effect on the man receiving it. So, we know that this seed represents the Physical Word; the scriptures.
Lu 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
Lu 8:15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.
Now the person that it did have a positive effect on was described as "good ground" This is extremely important to note. It was not the seed that made the ground good, it was the good already!
This person was already saved when he heard this word. The word is the same word that the devil had taken away. So it was not the word that spirit. Life and truth. It was not the word that saves! This word was the scriptures that can never be anything more than a shadow of the substance. The Spiritual word that had already saved him. Then when he was exposed to the scriptures as a believer still living in this word. It had a positive effect on his life here. As they testily of Christ!
Another example we can see in the following verse: 1Cor 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Notice in this verse the preaching of the Physical Word is not power to save someone. But it is power to someone who has already been quickened by the word that is spirit.
So what we learn is that the scriptures are for us to use while we exist with the outer man (Rom 8: 22-23). It is what guides us in the doctrines we are to believe and encourages us to mortify the deeds of the flesh. This is why a true he reads about it and it confirms something that feels correct because the spirit lives in him. The scripture is not to save a soul, but to complete "the man of God" who is already saved.
By: Mark Manning
One form of the word of God is the scriptures and would be manifest in a variety of ways. These means would of course be written by hands and read by eyes of the flesh, as well as audible wavelengths that are enunciated by mouth and heard with ears of the flesh. These all happen in this first creation. Let us call this the Physical word.
The other form is a spiritual speaking of God and a spiritual hearing by his elect. This happens unknown in this earthly realm. Let us call this the Spiritual word.
Both form are from God and are true. The scriptures support both forms.
Now I would like to show that the scriptures reveal a spiritual form of the word that speaks directly to our spirit; this is not a dream or voice in our head like a charismatic person would want. Rather there is a direct spirit-to-spirit communication going on unbeknownst to us in the flesh, but the only way that we know that it is happening is because we read it in the scripture, and the reason that we believe the things of the bible is because we are saved.
Rom8: 26 "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered".
So, we can say that the written is the shadow of the eternal Spiritual word that saves this really should not be a strange statement; the physical word is not Christ; it is what tells of Christ. Christ illustrated that truth himself.
Joh 5: 39 search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life; and they are they which testify of me.
As with thinking. About all the verses that show the importance of the blood of Christ.
1peter 1:19 "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot" we all know that that we are not redeemed by the physical blood of Christ. But recognize that the verse is pointing to the spiritual death of Christ. Likewise, when Christ was saying his words were spirit. He was not speaking of the physical, but the unseen eternal spiritual.
Even the penalty itself that Christ paid was a spiritual one. It was not the death of his flesh and blood; it was something far more real and substantive; his very soul.
Mark14:34 " And saith unto them, my soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch"
This can also be illustrated by noticing two men, who hear a perfect and accurate preaching from the Bible, but yet one can become saved and one will remain in unbelief. What was a difference in the man who was saved? Most of us would say that the Spirit of God was active. We than understand that the difference was a spiritual one not of the earthly creation. I also used to think that somehow God would "apply" the Physical Word to that man's heart. How would this happen? How are physical words applied to a man's heart (his soul)? What about the following verse?
Joh 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
When did Christ call my name? Does anyone remember hearing Christ call his name? Are the scriptures exaggerating? No they are true. There is a spiritual word heard only by quickened spirit. Unbeknownst to us in our flesh!
Ro 8: 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God
This is what Christ is showing in the parable of the sower and seed. He identifies the seed as the word of God and the ground as people receiving that word.
Lu 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
This show that there is a "physical word" of God. I can say that because it did not have an effect on the man receiving it. So, we know that this seed represents the Physical Word; the scriptures.
Lu 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
Lu 8:15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.
Now the person that it did have a positive effect on was described as "good ground" This is extremely important to note. It was not the seed that made the ground good, it was the good already!
This person was already saved when he heard this word. The word is the same word that the devil had taken away. So it was not the word that spirit. Life and truth. It was not the word that saves! This word was the scriptures that can never be anything more than a shadow of the substance. The Spiritual word that had already saved him. Then when he was exposed to the scriptures as a believer still living in this word. It had a positive effect on his life here. As they testily of Christ!
Another example we can see in the following verse: 1Cor 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Notice in this verse the preaching of the Physical Word is not power to save someone. But it is power to someone who has already been quickened by the word that is spirit.
So what we learn is that the scriptures are for us to use while we exist with the outer man (Rom 8: 22-23). It is what guides us in the doctrines we are to believe and encourages us to mortify the deeds of the flesh. This is why a true he reads about it and it confirms something that feels correct because the spirit lives in him. The scripture is not to save a soul, but to complete "the man of God" who is already saved.
By: Mark Manning